Electric Cars Vs Hydrogen: There Are Just 12 Public Hydrogen Stations in the United States.

Kirill Klip.:

Electric Cars Vs Hydrogen: There Are Just 12 Public Hydrogen Stations in the United States.

  

  I continue my research into Hydrogen and Electric Cars. Technically Hydrogen cars are electric as well, instead of only storing energy in the lithium battery you have the small energy producing plan on board called Hydrogen fuel cell. You can sense the trouble already - the full energy cycle has a very low efficiency as the chat above shows. After further research you will realise that Hydrogen cars are the same EVs with the fuel cell range extender, Lithium battery is still needed for the specific power compensation and regenerative breaking.

  Hydrogen is the future ... and will always be. Electric cars are already here and pouring onto our streets in numbers now, Hydrogen based are still just a few prototypes with total lack of infrastructure. Tesla Superchargers will allow 98% of US population to cross the country from coast to coast by 2015. We have sun and wind with other alternative energy to power all our electric cars theoretically, where the Hydrogen will come from? The reports show that the cheap natural gas is the only answer here and it meansFracking in US and UK - so much for the green part of this dream and its sustainability. Apart from huge lost of energy in the full cycle, we will stay with the same old boys from the big oil who is behind this push. No energy security, no distributed energy generation, just the same old needle provided by the same people.

  Hydrogen will be viable as the additional source of energy once its economics improves, but why distract the attention now instead of focusing on electric cars available lithium technology? This is what Elon Musk at Tesla and China are doing now. Tesla Gigafactory will bring even more reliable, cheaper lithium batteries to power EVs with Tesla Model S and X reaching 400 miles range. It will allow to build Tesla Model III - 35k electric car with 200 miles range to ignite the mass market.

China Rolls Out Welcome Mat for Electric Cars: Ganfeng Lithium Partners with International Lithium in Argentina and Ireland.

Elon Musk With Tesla Gigafactory Starts The Race To Secure Supply Of Lithium Batteries And Lithium.

  "I would like to share with you the very interesting summary from  Seeking Apha on this subject. It confirms my personal observations of the investment and M&A trends in our Lithium industry today. I will share with you few quotes and links which will help you to understand International Lithium strategy and, what is very important, how our strategic partner Ganfeng Lithium sees this megatrends from the ground of the world's biggest auto market in the world in China. Read more."

Lithium Catalyst: Hydrogen Dreams And Write-down Of Two-thirds Of US Shale Oil Explodes Fracking Myth.

  

  "If you have noticed, last few weeks Hydrogen powered cars were seriously pumped by some media outlets and auto-makers. Elon Musk was stealing media attention by makingthe headlines with his Tesla Motors Gigafactory and UK "occupation" by Tesla Model S, but now we have another very important reason for Hydrogen story revival.

"We have discussed with you my personal vision of the Market for Electric Cars and Lithium Industry developments yesterday. I might be very "responsibly conservative" for the prospects of our Lithium Battery Industry after all!  Today you get the bold vision from our Electric rEvolution leader-in-chief Elon Musk. AutoBlogGreen reports: "Tesla CEO Elon Musk Expects "Hundreds" Of Battery Gigafactories. Read more." 

  I am sceptical about Hydrogen and picture below shows the Hydrogen economics - Battery Electric Cars are much more efficient. Add here the billions of dollars needed to be invested for the infrastructure to be in place and you will get the picture who is sponsoring the effort. Read more."

Inside EVs:

There Are Just 12 Public Hydrogen Stations in the United States

Mark Kane

Alternative Fuels

Charging Points – August 2014

Some manufacturers believe that hydrogen fuel cells are one of the solution to power cars. Without going into details, we just checked the situation for today.

According to the Alternative Fuels Data Center, there are just 12public hydrogen stations in the United States, with 41 more private units in use in various other applications.

As for electric vehicles, we know that the charging infrastructure isn’t fully developed yet and there are still many fast charging gaps.  However, with more than 20,000 public points and hundreds of DC fast chargers, EVs are far ahead in case of the infrastructure.

“8,526 electric stations 20,748 charging outlets in the United States “

As for the vehicles themselves, there are already several EV models available nationwide (19 this month including the first sales of the BMW i8 this weekend), while FCEV is still stuck in the pilot phase with limited offers from a couple of manufacturers.

This is the situation in the middle of 2014.

Will hydrogen fuel cell vehicles be real competition for plug-in electric vehicles?  Will this lack fo hydrogen infrastructure and limited vehicle availability change over time?

We’ll continue to check this and report on it over the next several years, but our guess is that hydrogen is probably not here to stay in this face of the strong competition presented by the EV industry and its strong governmental support on a worldwide level.

Hydrogen Stations – August 2014

Lithium Drive: Chevy Volt Economics: 10,000 Mile Review - $105 Spent On Gas In 9 Months!

  Here we go with all the discussions what is really an electric car and what is not - not everybody can afford Tesla Model S and GM Volt is a great step forward with its transitional technology. We find these numbers of real life fuel consumption by GM Volt drivers as truly incredible.

"Website: http://MrEnergyCzar.com I've spent $105 in "Total" fuel costs the first 10,000 miles in my Chevy Volt. In less than 9 months the Chevrolet Volt saved me $2,000 in fuel versus if I kept my SUV. The surplus solar power from my home powers the Volt about 6,000 miles per year while the charger at work does the rest. With the one pedal driving option, the brakes should last to over 175,000 miles and the first tune-up should come at 300,000 miles since 90% of the driving is in electric mode. The Volt can be your only car because you don't have to worry about range anxiety when driving more than 90 miles like you do with most pure EV's."

Lithium Drive: AutoBlogGreen: Chevy Volt owners average 1,000 miles between fill-ups in March

Lithium Generation: National Plug In Day is Sunday, September 23, 2012

  Lets make it big this time! Spread the news and donate your tweet for the good cause: 

#NationalPlugInDay

"As one very wise and honest  person has put it: "How to stop wars and terrorism? - Stop using Oil." We will paraphrase it here: How to Survive? - Stop using Oil - at least for transportation."

Lithium Catalyst: China to boost electric car industry

  Despite all doom and gloom China moves forward into electric space, road will not be always smooth, but watch what these people do - not what they are letting journalists to write about. China has secured supply of Rare Earths and Graphite and now is taking stakes in Lithium developers.

Lithium Rush: The Art Of War In The Markets: China Getting Ready For 5 Million Electric Cars by 2020

  "China knows too well the real price of Oil. All recent data points out that the spare capacity in Oil production is running dangerously low and any decreased demand from the developed world was immediately substituted by the rising demand from emerging economies."

International Lithium Year End Summary - President's Update ILC.v, TNR.v

"International Lithium has demonstrated very impressive exploration success this year, our team is extremely pleased with the advance of our projects to date,  resultantly I would like to provide a more comprehensive update to our shareholders" - Kirill Klip, President of ILC.

MILESTONES:

• Extensive 78 meter Mineralized Pegmatite with Extensive Lithium and Tantalum Zonation at Mavis Lake - Fairservice Lithium and Rare Metals Project, Ontario, Canada
• High-Grade Lithium Boulder Field Discovery Significantly Extends Moylisha - Blackstairs Project, Ireland
• Discovered Extensive Sand Layers Hosting Lithium - Boron and Highest Potash Grades in an Argentine Salar, - Mariana Brine Project, Argentina
• Strengthened Strategic Partnership with Ganfeng Lithium"

ZEEBIZ.com:

China to boost electric car industry

Tags: China,electric car industry,Chinese hybrid car,technology

Beijing: China has rolled out a plan to boost its underdeveloped electric vehicle industry, with a goal of making the industry more competitive in the global marketplace, Xinhua reported.

The central government's plan calls for producing 500,000 electrical and hybrid cars by 2015, with the output of both types of vehicles slated to grow to two million units by 2020, according to the Chinese government website.

The plan's implementation is anticipated to drop average fuel consumption per passenger vehicle to 6.9 litres of gasoline per 100 km by 2015. The fuel use per energy-saving passenger vehicle will drop below 5.9 litres for every 100 km.

According to the plan, by 2020 average fuel consumption will be five litres while that for energy-saving cars it will be below 4.5 litres.

On Monday, industry experts, however, warned that China was facing a widening global gap in development of the sector, as other auto producers were also moving to beef up their electric car industries.

According to the 2012 Chinese Auto Industry Development Report, Chinese hybrid cars cannot save fuel as efficiently as their foreign competitors.

The next 20 to 30 years will be a "critical period" which witnesses formation of a global new-energy vehicle industry, said the report jointly released by the Research Department of Industrial Economics.

According to the government's plan, more charging facilities will be built within and between cities to meet the public requirement.

The new-energy vehicle market is believed to have big growth potential in China. The government will support the sector with friendly tax policies and financial services, as well as make greater efforts to train more professionals for the industry.

IANS"

Lithium Drive: Steve Jobs’ Apple iCar dream - Mickey Drexler: "Steve’s dream before he died was to design an iCar.”

Will you buy an Electric iCar?

  After all, our Call to Steve Jobs to make an Electric iCar was not that crazy?

Will Apple and Facebook save us all? Yes, If They Will Produce Electric iCars

 

  

  "With IPO of Facebook in the headlines and Apple testing the limits of the market appetite for  its valuation, we need to put a few things into perspective. We love all Apple Products, recognise the Facebook phenomenon and think that these companies do have resources to really change our world one more time and save us all - literally this time. We will throw Google into the mix as well. These three companies are all experiencing unprecedented growth, market valuations and are literally sitting on piles of cash. They have built teams of the best engineers in the world which are able to solve very fast the most difficult technical problems in the most efficient way. They know how to engage people and communicate very efficiently new ideas.     

  They will be all much better of to put all these resources to work and to do it fast - economy will not survive another Oil Shock, which is approaching very fast now. Oil Shock means not only higher Gas prices, but destruction of our societies as it will affect everyone and everything: Food production, Supply Chains, Security and Economy as a whole."

Steve Jobs’ Apple iCar dream

By Alborz Fallah | May 18th, 2012

According to a long-time member of Apple’s board of directors, the former CEO and founder of Apple, Steve Jobs, was very interested in designing a car towards the end of his life.

Speaking to Business Insider this week, Mickey Drexler, the CEO of J.Crew and a member of Apple’s board, said “Look at the car industry; it’s a tragedy in America. Who is designing the cars? Steve’s dream before he died was to design an iCar.”

Although Apple has been rather successful in the technology sector, it would certainly be a challenge to break into the automotive field. No doubt the “iCar” would be designed by Apple in California and built in China, like the rest of the “i” range.

Mr Drexler goes on to claim that if Steve Jobs had designed an iCar, it would have likely taken 50 per cent of the market. A rather bold claim given no one particular vehicle currently comes close to that figure. Nonetheless, it’s fair to point out that before the iPod existed, no music player ever came close to that figure either.

Apple, the world’s second most valuable company, is unlikely to build its own cars any time soon, however it’s increasingly likely to cooperate with automotive manufacturers to further integrate its range of “i” products. We find it a challenge to get behind the wheel of a modern vehicle and not see an iPod connector, now that it has become the industry standard music interface.

Nonetheless, the integration goes much deeper than just a connector. For example, the new Mercedes-Benz A-Class integrates the iPhone’s operating system (iOS) to the extent where Siri, the personal voice assistant, can be used via the COMAND infotainment system.

    Could Steve Jobs really have designed a market-dominating iCar? What other non-automotive company would    you like to see design a car?"

October 7th, 2011

Who will be Steve Jobs for Electric Cars now? R.I.P. and Thank you!

 Our Hero is gone and we are paying our respect to him for everything what Steve Jobs has done for us. He will live in so many real and virtual "things" we "touch" every day in our life now, he has changed the world and made the very high bar to reach for any human. He has connected us to the WEB on the go. We can access, connect, store and use the Information on the move in Style thanks to him and Enjoy every moment of famous "Apple's customer experience". We need it so much for our Next Big thing - Electric Cars dreamz now...We will deeply miss him.

  We were always hoping that he will make his entrance into the Electric Cars space - he was always up to the magnitude of this task - to change the world one more time.

   He did not have a lot of time left to do it. Who will take his place now in our Lithium Dreamz? Elon Musk and his Tesla has a very good chance to make it. Or maybe it will be Google guys with their billions of cash and drive to change the world? Or maybe Apple with Steve Jobs' legacy can still make it? Will it be Facebook or Twitter who will connect us again in physical space and make our freedom possible in the post carbon world?

  We need the Manhattan project for the Electric Cars in our broken society and we need it right now - who can lead the world into the future?

Electric Cars industry gives Trillion market place business opportunity to fill. And we will throw again as with Apple iCar - Why Not?

"Lithium Charge: Secretary Chu Announces New Funding and Partnership with Google to Promote Electric Vehicles. The Electric Cars investment space is getting hotter and big names are beginning to eagerly to pile in. The 5 million investment into the charging infrastructure from U.S. Department Of Energy could sound like a joke compare to China investing billions in Electric Cars or personal investments of some entrepreneurs in Lithium space, but it is one step at a time and names in this initiatives are more important than this amount.
  Once the guys from Google, Facebook and Twitter will move into Green Revolution our Lithium story will take off into parabolic rise - they have knowledge, technology and understanding that Electric Cars are the way forward. They will need to drive their kids to the soccer games after all, even after Peak Oil which is happening now. We do not know which one of them will make the next Coca Cola in Electric Cars space, but we will be ready with our Sugar business - Lithium will be needed for all of them."

  

  Our Lithium Dreamz are already enjoying the favor from Apple and Steve Jobs himself - all world is now going mobile with iPhones, iPads and iPods. If only we can get Steve Jobs into our Electric space and build an Electric iCar for us! It would become fashionable in the matter of days and consumers will be happy to pay premium as with all products from Apple - just to differentiate themselves in the social space. Ultimate consumer experience will help as well!

 We will repost our article on the Apple iCar - in our publishing space you never know when Buffet will call or Steve Job will actually decide to save us all from post Peak Oil misery and Depression. 

  Google is already investing in Electric Cars and technology surrounding this new industry, maybe Apple will make its move one day as well and not just in Apps? These beautiful images above are from Italian industrial designer Franco Grassi. We will put the most powerful business argument here - WHY NOT?

Apple Has Toppled Google As World's Most Valuable Brand.

August 24th, 2010

Will you buy an Electric Car?

  CS. Desperate times need desperate measures. After today's horrific existing home sales numbers and Charles Nenner's call for Dow at 5000, we cannot simply stand by. Our cash alone will not support the markets for the long time and even our ideas about saving the world can fade away in kerosene light of the writers crying about polluting electric cars and that "nobody will buy them anyway."


  Obama calls for action, but the financial situation of the state is a hair breadth's away  from desperate. The middle-class, the backbone of our society, barely survives during this recession. FED will not be able to hold the economy for long, with oil above 150 USD/barrel: Twitter, Google and iPhone with iPad are only very nice after a good breakfast and when you can look forward to lunch. Will we have to roll back into our cave of Gold and Silver?


  There is only one way to bring Electric Cars in a mass market fashion, beat the Deflation scare and start a new industrial revolution in U.S.: we still have a chance to stay at least on par with China, by making the Electric Car cool. Time for a letter to Steve Jobs.

  There are a lot of predictions about how many people will consider buying an Electric Car. As we have mentioned numerous times, nobody knows for sure about the future for our Next Big Thing, but we think that we know the answer to how to make the adoption rate for Electric Cars much closer to the one of mobile phones or iPads, rather than the one of washing machines. All we need to do is ask Mr. Jobs to make an Electric iCar.

  "The car is the second largest purchase after the house for the middle-class. It is never really an investment in contrast to the house (according to the logic before the Crash - a house was an investment). Electric cars allow to sell the second biggest item in the household "second time". Family gets an instant cash flow adjustment with electric cars economics: 2.5 cent cost per mile against 12 cents in conventional vehicle (CV). The government gets the opportunity to send money to consumers to fight the Deflation Death Spiral and take it away into the value food chain, hopefully belonging to the domestic production cycle. 
  The way of doing it - stimulus for production in order to bring prices down, like today, and direct Tax Rebates on purchases of EVs - which are already in place. With the GM Volt battery strategy, the price for EVs will quickly reach the same level as for a CV, and in this situation the Electric Car could become an investment in the household balance sheet as it will be producing "an alternative income" relative to cost of ownership of CV. Here is our "adjusted" cash flow.  Third, why do we think it could happen at all? About it Obama, here."

    Apple, with its unique proposition of lifestyle social-status marketing products, with almost perfect utility function, has the ability to dramatically change the way how we consume mobility. It is time for a real change and we all have an opportunity to capitalise on this dramatic technological shift. We are inviting Steve Jobs to the Green Mobility Revolution, transformation technology and disruption in the huge market place.

 The ideal market situation for the new disruptive technology to create a lifetime investing opportunity is when the Demand for product or service is already there and you are able to deliver it in a new way, which will be more appealing to Existing consumers of this product or service. You have a dramatic shift in consumer preference and you are gaining a market share in a tidal wave fashion by shifting consumers from existing providers to the new product or service place. You do not have to teach the market and prove that they need this product - you just need to prove that the new technology you are putting in place is viable to deliver the Better Experience.


 We have always loved our music. Sony made a Revolution in the way we consumed music with its Walkman - we were able to take our music with us as we went. CDs made the quality of music more appealing and record companies sold us our music one more time.

  Steve Jobs made another Revolution by providing the means to consume what we exactly want with iTunes and means to Store and Retrieve All Our Music as we go - in iPod. He sold us the music we already had and we were happy to buy it. He brought us a new Experience of how we consume the same music: it is convenient, easy, searchable, high quality and with us - all of it. We have moved in droves to the new source of joy.

  Apple has managed an even more difficult trick with mobile phone: the iPhone has stormed the market without a single unique function not available on the market at that time. The key is the ultimate design and functionality which became the marketing product indicating your social status. And our music is again with us here. Only those who remember the Palm can understand our joy here. Will our children be taking Electric Cars for granted as well one day?

  For the first time we have all we need under our fingertips with the iPad. It already changed the way we consume newspapers, books, magazines and access the web. Applications are providing a relatively cheap, focused software for the individual's particular need. We must admit that we still have to buy an App - so far everything we use is free. Will it make Windows obsolete one day?

  With Electric Cars, all market estimations that we saw so far (apart from the quote from Warren Buffett) looks like a drop in the bucket at a time. Will it be 2%, 5% or 10% claimed by Nissan in 2020? It's not a Revolution - it is like a tea party. We dare to differ and think that Electric Cars will provide to us a new Experience how we consume Mobility: energy efficient, environment friendly and cheaper with all cost accounted. And yes - they will sell us our cars one more time, this time in an Electric version.

  Is it bad? No, not at all if you will be investing in Electric Cars value chain. Even if you not, we will all gain from it more than from iPods - after all we have never heard about somebody being killed by CD, but those who still do not believe that cars pollute and kill our environment - therefore us - can try to breathe from an exhaust pipe for a while to be sure.

  We expect consumers to shift - on a mass scale - from CVs to EVs, with proof that technology is viable and can provide the same utility but with a Better Experience. The Emotional Drive will be the driving force of this switch of consumer preferences.

  And here is where the almighty Steve Jobs and Apple can drive our hearts to open our wallets even during the recessions. Everything is already produced by OEMs anyway: we need  Apple just to make it cool to drive an iCar, to make the iCar design and its functionality with Steve Job's signature attention to the detail. All particular auto functionality could be outsourced inside US: batteries, software, power train and auto safety. Something like J/V with established automaker will do the trick in order to achieve mass production. We think that automakers will be standing in line just to be involved.

  Is this just confined to our dreams? We're not so sure: we have already found a few rumours about an iCar and even this picture below. We will appreciate if somebody can drop a line with any information on the iCar, its potential design or Steve Jobs' mobile number or email.

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