Showing posts with label Jim Rogers. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Jim Rogers. Show all posts

Wednesday, January 08, 2014

Casey Research: 23 Reasons to Be Bullish on Gold Price 2014 GLD, MUX, TNR.v, GDX

 

  Casey Research provides a very good compilation for the Gold market outlook going forward.


Frank Holmes: Gold Stocks - What to Expect in the New Year GLD, MUX, TNR.v, GDX, SLV

 "Frank Holmes starts new year with the very insightful outlook for Gold and Gold miners. China buys record amount of Gold in 2013 and UK and German authorities are investigating Gold market manipulations now. Chances are that this manipulation can go forever with Gold flowing by tons from the West to the East. Chart above from KWN demonstrates that Gold is in the most oversold sate in its history now."


Rob McEwen: “The Next Run Will Be Driven By Gold Moving Higher, As Well As New Discoveries” MUX, TNR.v, GDX, GLD

 "Rob McEwen gives his view on the Gold market and what will be the driving force behind the next Bull Run. He is looking for the deals in this market environment and that new discoveries will be driving the successful companies backing them. Meanwhile Gold is under pressure today testing the recent lows. Equity markets are drifting lower and Interest Rates higher. Rob reminds us, that turnaround can be very fast as we saw this summer after Gold has bottomed out and miners were spiking up. Equity markets are very high now and Gold sector is very undervalued, people will start looking at the relative values at these levels."


Casey Research: 


23 Reasons to Be Bullish on Gold Price 2014


It's been one of the worst years for gold in a generation. A flood of outflows from gold ETFs, endless tax increases on gold imports in India, and the mirage (albeit a convincing one in the eyes of many) of a supposedly improving economy in the US have all contributed to the constant hammering gold took in 2013.
Perhaps worse has been the onslaught of negative press our favorite metal has suffered. It's felt overwhelming at times and has pushed even some die-hard goldbugs to question their beliefs… not a bad thing, by the way.
To me, a lot of it felt like piling on, especially as the negative rhetoric ratcheted up. Last year's winner was probably Goldman Sachs, calling gold a "slam-dunk sale" for 2014 (this, of course, after it's already fallen by nearly a third over a period of more than two and a half years—how daring they are).
This is why it's important to balance the one-sided message typically heard in the mainstream media with other views. Here are some of those contrarian voices, all of which have put their money where their mouth is…
  • Marc Faber is quick to stand up to the gold bears. "We have a lot of bearish sentiment, [and] a lot of bearish commentaries about gold, but the fact is that some countries are actually accumulating gold, notably China. They will buy this year at a rate of something like 2,600 tons, which is more than the annual production of gold. So I think that prices are probably in the process of bottoming out here, and that we will see again higher prices in the future."
  • Brent Johnson, CEO of Santiago Capital, told CNBC viewers to "buy gold if they believe in math… Longer term, I think gold goes to $5,000 over a number of years. If they continue to print money at the current rate, I think it could be multiples of that. I see a slow steady rise punctuated with some sharp upward moves."
  • Jim Rogers, billionaire and cofounder of the Soros Quantum Fund, publicly stated in November that he has never sold any gold and can't imagine ever selling gold in his life because he sees it as an insurance policy. "With all this staggering amount of currency debasement, gold has got to be a good place to be down the road once we get through this correction."
  • George Soros seems to be getting back into the gold miners: he recently acquired a substantial stake in the large-cap Market Vectors Gold Miners ETF (GDX) and kept his calls on Barrick Gold (ABX).
  • Don Coxe, a highly respected global commodities strategist, says we can expect gold to rise with an improving economy, the opposite of what many in the mainstream expect. "You need gold for insurance, but this time the payoff will come when the economy improves. In the past when everything was falling all around you, commodity prices were soaring out of sight. We had three recessions in the 1970s and gold went from $35 an ounce to $850. But this time, gold is going to appreciate when we start getting 3% GDP growth."
  • Jeffrey Gundlach, bond guru and not historically known for being a big fan of gold, came out with a candid endorsement of the yellow metal: "Now, I kind of like gold. It's definitely very non-correlated to other assets you may have in your portfolio, and it does seem sort of cheap. I also like the GDX."
  • Steve Forbes, publishing magnate and chief executive officer of Forbes magazine, publicly predicted an impending return to the gold standard in a speech in Las Vegas. "A new gold standard is crucial. The disasters that the Federal Reserve and other central banks are inflicting on us with their funny-money policies are enormous and underappreciated."
  • Rob McEwen, CEO of McEwen Mining and founder of Goldcorp, reiterated his bullish call for gold to someday top $5,000. "We now have governments willing to seize their citizens' assets. We now have currency controls on the table, which we haven't seen since the late 1960s/early '70s. We have continued debasement of currencies. And the economies of the Western world remain stagnant despite enormous monetary stimulation. All these facts to me are bullish for gold and make me believe the price will bounce back relatively soon."
  • Doug Casey says that while gold is not the giveaway it was at $250 back in 2001, it is nonetheless a bargain at current prices. "I've been buying gold for years and I continue to buy it because it is the way you save. I'm very happy to be able to buy gold at this price. All the so-called quantitative easing—money printing—by governments around the world has created a glut of freshly printed money. This glut has yet to work its way through the global economic system. As it does, it will create a bubble in gold and a super-bubble in gold stocks."
And then there's the people who should know most about how sound the world's various types of paper money are: central banks. As a group, they have added tonnes of bullion to their reserves last year…
  • Turkey added 13 tonnes (417,959 troy ounces) of gold in November 2013. Overall, it has added 143.6 tonnes (4,616,847 troy ounces) so far this year, up 22.5% from a year ago, in part thanks to the adoption of a new policy to accept gold in its reserve requirements from commercial banks.
  • Russia bought 19.1 tonnes (614,079 troy ounces) in July and August alone. With the year-to-date addition of 57.37 tonnes—second only to Turkey—Russia's gold reserves now total 1,015 tonnes. It now holds the eighth-largest national stash in the world.
  • South Korea added a whopping 20 tonnes (643,014 troy ounces) of gold in February, and now carries 23.7% more gold on its balance sheet than at the end of 2012."Gold is a real safe asset that can help (us) respond to tail risks from global financial situations effectively and boosts the reliability of our foreign reserves holdings," said central bank officials.
  • Kazakhstan has been buying gold every month, at an average of 2.4 tonnes (77,161 troy ounces) through October. As a result, the country's reserves have seen a 21% increase to 139.5 tonnes from a year ago.
  • Azerbaijan has taken advantage of a slump in gold prices and has gone from having virtually no gold to 16 tonnes (514,411 ounces).
  • Sri Lanka and Ukraine added 5.5 (176,829 troy ounces) and 6.22 tonnes (199,977 troy ounces) respectively over the past year.
  • China, of course, is the 800-pound gorilla that mainstream analysts seem determined to ignore. Though nothing official has been announced by China's central bank, the chart below provides some perspective into the country's consumer buying habits.
China ended 2013 officially as the largest gold consumer in the world. Chinese sentiment towards gold is well echoed in a statement made by Liu Zhongbo of the Agricultural Bank of China: "Because gold has capabilities to absorb external economic shocks, growth of its use in the international monetary system will be imminent."
And those commercial banks that have been verbally slamming gold—it turns out many are not as negative as it might seem…
  • Goldman Sachs proved itself to be one of the biggest hypocrites: while advising clients to sell gold and buy Treasuries in Q2 2013, it bought a stunning (and record) 3.7 million shares of GLD. And when Venezuela decided to raise cash by pawning its gold, guess who jumped in to handle the transaction? Yes, they claim the price will fall this year, but with such a slippery track record, it's important to watch what they do and not what they say.
  • Société Générale Strategist Albert Edwards says gold will top $10,000 per ounce (with the S&P 500 Index tumbling to 450 and Treasuries yielding less than 1%).
  • JPMorgan Chase went on record in August recommending clients "position for a short-term bounce in gold." Gold's price resistance to Paulson & Co. cutting its gold exposure, along with growing physical gold demand in Asia, were cited among the main reasons.
  • ScotiaMocatta's Sunil Kashyap said that despite the selloff, there's still significant physical demand for gold, especially from India and China, which "supports prices."
  • Commerzbank calls for the gold price to enter a boom period this year. Based on investment demand from Asian countries—China and India in particular—the bank predicted the yellow metal will rise to $1,400 by the end of 2014.
  • Bank of America Merrill Lynch, in spite of lower price forecasts for gold this year, reiterated they remain "longer-term bulls."
  • Citibank's top technical analyst Tom Fitzpatrick stated gold could head to $3,500. "We believe we are back into that track where gold is the hard currency of choice, and we expect for this trend to accelerate going forward."
None of these parties thinks the gold bull market is over. What they care about is safety in this uncertain environment, as well as what they see as enormous potential upside.
In the end, the much ridiculed goldbugs will have had the last laugh.
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Wednesday, August 28, 2013

Jim Rogers: On Conflict in Syria, Gold and Market Panic



  Jim Rogers is stepping in with his view on the recent geopolitical developments. With Gold in the Bull Market territory now any further war escalation will lead to the parabolic rise in the gold price.

Gold Breakout: Jim Sinclair - The three entities that called the $1900 in gold are back long. GLD, SLV, GDX, MUX, TNR.v

"Now we have the full A Team calling for the New Bull Leg in Gold. Summer doll drums time out is officially over. Gold was over 1400 intraday and Silver is over 24 now. Junior miners are exploding to the upside with McEwen Mining pushing 3 dollar mark. Survived Juniors will show this Fall what is called the ten baggers again."

Rob McEwen Shares his Views on Market Conditions and Future of McEwen Gold Mining Projects in Mexico, Argentina and Nevada MUX, TNR.v

"The whole picture has been set up for the major move in Gold and Silver now. McEwen Mining will enjoy its high leverage to the Gold, Silver and Copper price. Rob McEwen is on the road telling his story and delivering results.
Shorts are busy now covering their 27 million shares Short Position in McEwen Mining as of August 15th, 2013 and it will provide the fuel for the upside breakout."


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Saturday, June 29, 2013

Jim Rogers All Central Banks Printing Money Against Gold And It Can't Last




Jim Rogers on George Soros, Goldman Sachs and When Harvard and Stanford Will Go Bust.


  
   
  "As you know, we are not in a position to give any investment advice, we never tell you what to buy and what to sell. We are in the education business and only share with you our travel diary. Today we would like to share another idea about one of your best investment in yourself you can allow: buy and read this book from Jim Rogers.
  If you would like to know about The Break Up with George Soros on his "manipulations of the markets", why Jim O'Neill and Steven Roach "do not have a clue" about Emerging Markets (as the rest of the Wall Street) and how Allan Greenspan - "mediocre economist" has ruined the United States - this book is for you. What to expect next with the "Yes Man" - Mr Bernanke running the FED for his friends will be coming there as well. Inflation will be presented in a very interesting way by Jim - "How many Congressmen you could buy before for the price of one today."
  Please do not miss among the headline revelations, the real wisdom about this world and investing. You must know what you are doing and be the best in it, just one thing at a time. It will be enough. We will add: "Trust your Swing" - particularly when it is tough. 



  We guess that now, after Tim Geithner has joined CFR with his Turbo Tax skills you do not need to immigrate to Singapore to speak up your mind. The Masters and their Puppets are in a plain view, running the show for the Muppets without any constrains by secrecy any more."

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Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Jim Rogers on George Soros, Goldman Sachs and When Harvard and Stanford Will Go Bust.

  
   
  As you know, we are not in a position to give any investment advice, we never tell you what to buy and what to sell. We are in the education business and only share with you our travel diary. Today we would like to share another idea about one of your best investment in yourself you can allow: buy and read this book from Jim Rogers.
  If you would like to know about The Break Up with George Soros on his "manipulations of the markets", why Jim O'Neill and Steven Roach "do not have a clue" about Emerging Markets (as the rest of the Wall Street) and how Allan Greenspan - "mediocre economist" has ruined the United States - this book is for you. What to expect next with the "Yes Man" - Mr Bernanke running the FED for his friends will be coming there as well. Inflation will be presented in a very interesting way by Jim - "How many Congressmen you could buy before for the price of one today."
  Please do not miss among the headline revelations, the real wisdom about this world and investing. You must know what you are doing and be the best in it, just one thing at a time. It will be enough. We will add: "Trust your Swing" - particularly when it is tough. 



  We guess that now, after Tim Geithner has joined CFR with his Turbo Tax skills you do not need to immigrate to Singapore to speak up your mind. The Masters and their Puppets are in a plain view, running the show for the Muppets without any constrains by secrecy any more.



Golden Age. Planet Ponzi. All You Need Is Love. Happy New Year 2013!


  "As Mitch Feierstein explains in his book "Planet Ponzi", you will not get much anything else if you are not in the Circle of Old Boyz. Oh ye, oops: we are wrong here - we will All get our Taxes Increased, Starting with Inflation. We will All get the Bill left from Those who continue to Party even now.

  Suck it up my friends, just suck it up. If you are not on the Payroll in Washington, DC or with other Members of the Oldest Pioneer Organisation - we are All pretty much ... (Add the Spice here to your liking)."


Sci-Fi Movie Script: "Federal Reserve - Keeping The Strong US Dollar Policy From 1913 - Established To Serve and Protect" GS, JPM, BAK, C, HBC


Strictly Confidential.


Presentation. First Pass.


Sci-Fi Movie Script.

In-House Working Title: "Keeping the Faith In the US Dollar"

Suggested Change: "Finding the Faith In the US Dollar"




Submitted Nov 19, 2012.

Status: Casting is open, AlphaCat is invited for President Obama's role.

Commonly Used Acronyms:

BS: Banking System, Banking Slaves, Male Cow Manure.
MF Global: A tragic case of a Very Sad Company of Well-Connected People "losing" a Lot of Other People's money.
MF (Sans Global): Naughty Word.
HFT: High-Frequency Trading or Hot "Naughty Word" Traders.
USTs: US Treasuries, or Your Children IOUs Issued mostly to "Asian Investors".



Hedge Funds: Wealthy People playing with Other People's Moneys.
Algos: When HFTs are Partying They are using Comps to Front-Run fellow Market Participants.
PROPs: Hedge Funds Organised Inside Banks by "Banksters" to Squeeze the Cream out of the Muppets.
Muppets: Bank Clients that are being Sold Stuff, which Banks Are Not Buying.
PPT: Plunge Protection Team, a team which Never Existed and where the "Banksters" are writing off losses to the Feds through their PROPs Trades, by Supporting "Efficient Market."
Feds: Unelected Officials, employed by the "Banksters". On Temporary Leave in order To Create and Support aforementioned "Efficient Market" and Keep Muppets from Running on the Streets.



FB: our favourite social networking site "Facebook"; "The Best Special OP Ever" according to the one Senator and the back-end of the FBI & CIA according to others.
IPO shares: Idiots Priced Our shares.



Wall Street and Investment Banks: Places where IPO shares are Sold to Muppets and Further Shuffling of That Stuff Is Undertaking Amongst Said Muppets Soon After That.

The Only Place Where Gentleman steps out from a Rolls-Royce and inquires the guy-who-took-the-tube-to-work on Sound Financial Advice. 

EMT: "Efficient Market Theory" - The Old Lady which is Murdered In The Last Scene. 
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Monday, July 06, 2009

US Dollar Collapse: Jim Rogers Sells Dollars, Plans to Short Treasuries RMK.v, TNR.v, CGH.to, ASM.v, KTN.v, EPZ.v, AMM.to, SGC.v, HUI, XAU, DXY, FST.v

More paper is coming in the second part of this year, according to report Treasury is going to sell 1.1 Trillion in auctions until the year end. No surprise that "India Joins Russia, China in Questioning U.S. Dollar Dominance







July 6 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar and U.S. Treasuries are both likely to slide as soaring government debt in the world’s biggest economy undermines confidence in its assets, according to Jim Rogers, chairman of Rogers Holdings.
“The government is printing lots of money and borrowing even more; that’s not the basis for a sound currency,” he said in a telephone interview today from Singapore. “The idea that anybody would lend money to the U.S. government for 30 years at 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 percent interest is mind-boggling to me.”
Rogers, the author of books including “Investment Biker” and “Adventure Capitalist”, said he holds fewer dollars than a year ago and plans to “short U.S. government bonds someday.” A short bet involves selling a security you don’t own with a view to buying it back after the price has fallen.
The U.S. is stepping up debt sales to finance a record budget deficit as it tries to spend its way out of a recession and that’s causing the supply of the securities to balloon. After more than doubling note and bond offerings to $963 billion in the first half, another $1.1 trillion may be sold by year-end, according to Barclays Plc, one of the 16 primary dealers that are obligated to bid at Treasury auctions.
U.S. debt lost 4.46 percent through June, according to Merrill Lynch & Co.’s U.S. Treasury Master index.The yield on benchmark 30-year notes reached 4.84 percent on June 11, the highest since 2007, and was 4.31 percent as of 2:02 p.m. in Tokyo. It sank to 2.51 percent in December, the lowest since sales of the security began in 1977, as the economic slump fueled demand for the relative safety of government bonds.
Swiss Franc, Yen
ICE’s Dollar Index, which tracks the greenback against the euro, yen, pound, Canadian dollar, Swedish krona and Swiss franc, has declined 1.2 percent so far this year after gaining 6 percent in 2008. It reached a three-year high of 89.62 in March and was recently at 80.37.
Rogers said he recently bought the Swiss franc and within the Asia-Pacific region his currency holdings include yen, Singapore dollars, China’s yuan as well as the Australian and New Zealand dollars. The Swiss franc reached this year’s low of 1.1965 per dollar on March 13 and recently traded at 1.0869.
Rogers, who predicted the start of a global commodities rally in 1999, forecast resources will again climb, saying they are one of the few asset classes where “fundamentals are improving.” The Reuters/Jefferies CRB Index of 19 raw materials has gained 7.1 percent so far this year, after losing 36 percent in 2008. It almost doubled in the nine years through 2007.
Sri Lanka, China
Stocks in Sri Lanka are the only equities Rogers said he would consider buying at the moment, adding that he plans to hold on to his holdings in China for many years to come.
Sri Lanka’s stock benchmark, the Colombo All-Share Index, has jumped 60 percent this year as the government’s defeat of the rebel Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam ended 26 years of fighting on the island. Only China’s Shanghai Composite Index has done better in Asia, surging 70 percent as the government’s 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus plan helped combat an economic slump.
“Selling Chinese shares in 2009 would be like selling U.S. ones in 1909,” Rogers said. “My children were born in 2003 and 2008 and I expect them to hold my shares someday.” Rogers said he last added to his holdings of Chinese shares in the fourth quarter of 2008 and has not bought any stocks at all this year.
To contact the reporter on this story: Bob Chen in Hong Kong at bchen45@bloomberg.net"

Monday, January 19, 2009

JIm Rogers on US Dollar. DXY, GDX, AUY, SLW, TNR.v, CZX.v, SST.v, MGN, ABX

Jim Rogers Says Worried About Dollar, Favors China (Update1)

By Chua Kong Ho and Nipa Piboontanasawat
Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Jim Rogers, chairman of Singapore- based Rogers Holdings, said investors should be “worried” about the U.S. dollar, and recommended selling government bonds and buying raw materials, China stocks and the yen.
“If I were you, I would be worried about the U.S. dollar,” said Rogers, 66, in a speech at the Asia Financial Forum in Hong Kong today. “The Americans are printing U.S. dollars. The Americans are going to do whatever they can to revive their economy, even if it means destroying the U.S. dollar.”
The Dollar Index on ICE Futures, which tracks the greenback versus six major U.S. trading partners, fell 11 percent since Nov. 21, when it reached 88.46, the highest in 19 months. The Japanese yen climbed 12 percent against the dollar over the past three months as investors reduced holdings of higher-yielding assets.
Holding government bonds is a “big mistake” and is going to “end badly,” he said. Investors should favor agriculture, power generation and China shares if they want to make money, said Rogers, who correctly predicted the start of the commodities rally in 1999 and has written books including ‘A Bull in China: Investing Profitably in the World’s Greatest Market.’
The Reuters/Jefferies CRB Index, which tracks 19 commodities, has declined 3.7 percent this month after dropping 36 percent in 2008, its worst annual performance on record.
China Slowdown
The Hang Seng China Enterprises Index, which tracks 43 stocks of Chinese companies traded in Hong Kong, has declined 8.2 percent this year.
China, the world’s third-largest economy, may have expanded at the slowest pace in seven years in the fourth quarter, with gross domestic product rising 6.8 percent from a year earlier, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News before a government report due this week.
China’s government unveiled a 4 trillion yuan ($585 billion) stimulus package in November, which included spending on roads and bridges.
Rogers said in a Dec. 17 Bloomberg Television interview that he planned to sell the dollar. In a Dec. 31 interview, Rogers said he had been buying Chinese agricultural stocks to benefit from state efforts to bolster economic growth.
Stephen Roach, chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia Ltd., recommended investors buy “anything to do with the Asian consumer, infrastructure, alternative energy and technology.” He made the comments at the same forum.
To contact the reporter responsible for this story: Chua Kong Ho in Shanghai at kchua6@bloomberg.net; Nipa Piboontanasawat in Hong Kong at npiboontanas@bloomberg.net Last Updated: January 19, 2009 04:28 EST

Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Jim Rogers Says Dollar to Be `Devalued,' Buys Commodities GDX, FXI, EWZ

Nov. 25 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. dollar will be ``devalued'' as policy makers seek to weaken it, undermining the greenback's role as an international reserve currency, said Jim Rogers, chairman of Rogers Holdings in Singapore.
``They think that if you drive down the value of your money, it makes you more competitive, now that has never worked in history in the long term,'' said Rogers. The ICE's Dollar Index has gained 19 percent since Rogers said in an interview on April 27 he expected a dollar rally ``about now.''
The dollar advanced against 15 of the 16 most-traded currencies since the end of June, losing out only to the yen, as a global financial crisis drove investors to the perceived safety of Treasuries. U.S. politicians want to reverse those gains to revive growth, Rogers said.
The dollar is ``going to lose its status as the world's reserve currency,'' Rogers said yesterday in a televised interview with Bloomberg News. ``It will be devalued and it will go down a lot. These guys in Washington, they want to debase the currency.''
Rogers said that he is buying the Japanese yen. All of the 16 most-active currencies have weakened against the yen since June, led by a 39 percent drop in the Australian dollar.
The ICE's Dollar Index, which tracks the greenback against the currencies of six major trading partners, traded at 86.147 as of 7:30 a.m. in London from 86.081 late in New York yesterday. It reached 88.463 on Nov. 21, the highest level since April 2006.
Plan to Exit Dollars
Rogers predicts the U.S. currency's rally ``will probably go into next year'' and said he plans to cut the remainder of his dollar holdings during this period.
``If I were doing it today, and what I have done today, is buy the yen,'' Rogers said. ``But, it is also an artificial move that's going on. It's a difficult problem to find out what is a sound currency.''
Democratic lawmakers including Senator Charles Schumer of New York said this weekend they plan to put an economic stimulus package as large as $700 billion before President-elect Barack Obama on his first day in office. Obama has called for a sizeable enough plan to jolt the economy, saying the U.S. faces the loss of ``millions of jobs'' unless immediate steps are taken to stimulate growth and rescue the nation's automakers.
Buying Commodities
Rogers also is buying commodities, saying their ``fundamentals have not been impaired and, in fact, are improved.'' He correctly forecast in April 2006 that the oil price would reach $100 a barrel and gold $1,000 an ounce.
``In mid-October, I started buying commodities, I started buying China and I started buying Taiwan,'' he said. ``I bought them all, but I've been focusing more on agriculture. I mean sugar is 80 percent below its all-time high. It's astonishing how low some of these prices are.''
The Rogers International Commodity Index Total Return has plummeted 52 percent from a record in July, including an 11 percent slide this month. The index has risen 124 percent over the past seven years.
Sugar surged the most in two weeks yesterday amid speculation that higher crude-oil prices will boost demand for alternative fuels, including ethanol made from cane.
Raw-sugar futures for March delivery rose 0.44 cent, or 3.9 percent, to 11.72 cents a pound on ICE Futures U.S. in New York yesterday. The gain was the biggest for a most-active contract since Nov. 4. Sugar has declined in each of the past three weeks.
To contact the reporters on this story: Ron Harui in Singapore at rharui@bloomberg.netMike Schneider in New York at mschneider12@bloomberg.net Last Updated: November 25, 2008 02:59 EST