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Friday, February 08, 2013

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Tesla's Musk calls Boeing 787 Dreamliner Lithium Batteries 'fundamentally unsafe'


"There will be the period of trials and errors with every new technology, but Boeing case is the most extreme. Please note that according to the company reports: Tesla Motors uses Panasonic's "next-generation battery cell based on this nickel chemistry and optimized specifically for electric vehicle quality and life."

"Security in any airplane is the paramount concern - we are very surprised to read John's findings. LCO batteries with LiCoO2 chemistry are the most aggressive choice for the battery, when Cobalt has the risk of being easily oxidised with the huge amount of energy released. We will be very surprised if it is the case with Boeing 787 Dreamliner - automakers started to move away from this chemistry long time ago."


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Saturday, February 02, 2013

Tesla's Musk calls Boeing 787 Dreamliner Lithium Batteries 'fundamentally unsafe'



  There will be the period of trials and errors with every new technology, but Boeing case is the most extreme. Please note that according to the company reports: Tesla Motors uses Panasonic's "next-generation battery cell based on this nickel chemistry and optimized specifically for electric vehicle quality and life."

"Security in any airplane is the paramount concern - we are very surprised to read John's findings. LCO batteries with LiCoO2 chemistry are the most aggressive choice for the battery, when Cobalt has the risk of being easily oxidised with the huge amount of energy released. We will be very surprised if it is the case with Boeing 787 Dreamliner - automakers started to move away from this chemistry long time ago."



 Tesla Motors:

PANASONIC ENTERS INTO SUPPLY AGREEMENT WITH TESLA MOTORS TO SUPPLY AUTOMOTIVE-GRADE BATTERY CELLS


TUESDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2011
Palo Alto, Calif. – Panasonic corporation and Tesla Motors finalized a supply agreement for automotive-grade lithium-ion battery cells. Panasonic is the world’s leading battery cell manufacturer and a diverse supplier to the global automotive industry. Panasonic’s automotive grade lithium-ion battery cells will be used in Tesla’s premium electric sedan, Model S.
The agreement supplies Tesla with Panasonic’s lithium-ion battery cells to build more than 80,000 vehicles over the next four years. It guarantees the availability of enough cells in 2012 to meet Tesla’s aggressive production ramp-up and fulfillment of more than 6,000 existing Model S reservations. This supply agreement helps ensure Tesla will meet its cost and margin targets for Model S.
This agreement builds upon a multi-year collaboration between Panasonic and Tesla to develop next-generation automotive-grade battery cells and accelerate the market expansion of electric vehicles. In 2009, Panasonic and Tesla initially entered into a supply agreement. In 2010, Panasonic invested $30 million in Tesla to deepen the partnership and foster the growth of the electric vehicle industry.
Panasonic supplies cells with the highest energy density and industry-leading performance using its nickel-type cathode technology. Panasonic and Tesla together have developed a next-generation battery cell based on this nickel chemistry and optimized specifically for electric vehicle quality and life. These new cells will combine with Tesla’s proven EV battery expertise gained from more than 15 million customer miles driven in Tesla Roadsters and thousands of hours of cell and battery testing to create the most capable electric vehicle ever produced, Model S.
“It is a powerful endorsement of our technology that Panasonic, the world’s leading battery cell manufacturer, has chosen to partner with Tesla to advance electric vehicle performance and value,” said Tesla Co-Founder and CEO Elon Musk. “Incorporating Panasonic’s next-generation cells into Model S batteries will ensure unrivaled range and performance. We are very grateful for our great partnership with Panasonic.”
“Panasonic will supply lithium ion cells for EVs that can achieve longer range with large energy density. It is our pleasure to start supplying the cells for Tesla’s Model S and promote sustainable mobility,” said Masato Ito, President, Energy Company of Panasonic Corporation.
Tesla is a supplier of batteries and powertrains to Toyota and Daimler. Tesla is a comprehensive electric vehicle powertrain component supplier to the electric vehicle industry."


Tesla Model S Electric Car Uses Panasonic Lithium Ion Batteries

"Batteries are provided by Panasonic. The two companies have developed a next-generation battery cell based on this nickel chemistry and optimized specifically for electric vehicle quality and life. These new cells will combine with Tesla’s proven EV battery expertise gained from more than 15 million customer miles driven in Tesla Roadsters and thousands of hours of cell and battery testing to create the most capable electric vehicle ever produced, the Tesla Model S."

John Voelcker: Boeing 787 Batteries Same As Those In Electric Cars? Umm, NO

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Why Elon Musk Wants To Help Boeing Fix The Dreamliner



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Tesla's Musk calls Boeing 787 Dreamliner Batteries 'fundamentally unsafe' 
"After offering to help Boeing with its lithium-ion battery problems, Elon Musk is somewhat raising the stakes. Musk, who heads both Tesla Motors and space exploration company SpaceX, has now called the batteries in the Boeing 787 "inherently unsafe" in an e-mail to trade publication Flightglobal.

There's a fair amount of science involved, but for simpletons like this reporter, Musk basically says the lithium cobalt oxide cells used in the 787 Dreamliner are packed too close together, so that if one cell catches fire, the entire battery pack may ignite in a chain-reaction type situation, which is never good at 30,000 feet. Musk goes on to point out that the cells used in both Tesla vehicles and SpaceX's space-launch rocket are smaller and separated from one another, so that any potential ignition is contained. Musk says offer to help but has so far been rebuffed.

About 50 Dreamliners were recently grounded because of two incidents, one a fire, involving the battery system. The US Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration are currently looking into the cause of the 787 problems."
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Monday, January 21, 2013

Powered by LIthium: Tesla Model X revealed at the 2013 Detroit Auto Show



"The new Tesla Model X will be Tesla's third car. Think of it as an AWD 7 passenger Crossover that also happens to be an electric car. The Tesla Model S features some unique design elements like the Falcon Doors (no not gull-winged) and the Frunk. If you don't know what a frunk is just watch this video from the 2013 Detroit Auto Show to check out the newest Tesla vehicle. Just like the Tesla Model S the Model X also features a flat floor, a 17 inch screen and of course thousands of batteries instead of a fuel tank. Check out this exclusive TFLcar car video as we get up close and personal with the Tesla Model X."

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John Voelcker: Boeing 787 Batteries Same As Those In Electric Cars? Umm, NO

"John Voelcker sets the record straight in the very noisy talks about the Lithium Batteries and Boeing troubles. Security in any airplane is the paramount concern - we are very surprised to read John's findings. LCO batteries with LiCoO2 chemistry are the most aggressive choice for the battery, when Cobalt has the risk of being easily oxidised with the huge amount of energy released. We will be very surprised if it is the case with Boeing 787 Dreamliner - automakers started to move away from this chemistry long time ago."


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Friday, January 18, 2013

John Voelcker: Boeing 787 Batteries Same As Those In Electric Cars? Umm, NO



  John Voelcker sets the record straight in the very noisy talks about the Lithium Batteries and Boeing troubles. Security in any airplane is the paramount concern - we are very surprised to read John's findings. LCO batteries with LiCoO2 chemistry are the most aggressive choice for the battery, when Cobalt has the risk of being easily oxidised with the huge amount of energy released. We will be very surprised if it is the case with Boeing 787 Dreamliner - automakers started to move away from this chemistry long time ago.




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Boeing 787 Batteries Same As Those In Electric Cars? Umm, NO



Gird yourself: It's possible we're about to see a new wave of attacks on electric cars that ignore battery science.
This time the culprit is the troubled Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft. The FAA has grounded all 787safter a string of fires in their lithium-ion battery packs; other countries have done the same.
Which has led at least one supposedly authoritative commentator to say that Boeing is having the same battery problems as those "that have shown up in electric cars."
The problem is that the two types of batteries are, in fact, quite different.
Here's the offending quote, from Paul Czysz, professor emeritus of aeronautical engineering at St. Louis University, as cited in a Boston Herald article this morning:
"Unfortunately, what Boeing did to save weight is use the same batteries that are in the electric cars, and they are running into the same problems with the 787 as the problems that have shown up in electric cars."
The author of the Boston Herald piece then went on to describe a 2011 fire in a Chevy Volt crash-test car that occurred several days after it was wrecked and rotated through 360 degrees by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
In January 2012, the NHTSA closed an investigation into Volt fires, concluding that "no discernible defect trend exists" and that "modifications recently developed by General Motors reduce the potential for battery intrusion resulting from side impacts."
Here's the problem: While the battery cells in Boeing 787s and, say, Chevrolet Volts are both in the lithium-ion family, they use very different chemistries.
You can think of lithium-ion cells rather like motor vehicles: They all do some variation of the same thing, but there are many different types, sizes, shapes, and different technologies to make that happen. Consider the difference between gasoline and diesel engines, for example.
The cells in the 787, from Japanese company GS Yuasa, use a cobalt oxide (CoO2) chemistry, just as mobile-phone and laptop batteries do.
That chemistry has the highest energy content, but it is also the most susceptible to overheating that can produce "thermal events" (which is to say, fires).
2013 Chevrolet Volt, Catskill Mountains, Oct 2012
2013 Chevrolet Volt, Catskill Mountains, Oct 2012
Only one electric car has been built in volume using CoO2 cells, and that's the Tesla Roadster. Only 2,500 of those cars will ever exist.
The Chevrolet Volt range-extended electric car, on the other hand, uses LG Chem prismatic cells withmanganese spinel (LiMn2O4) cathodes.
While chemistries based on manganese, nickel, and other metals carry less energy per volume, they are widely viewed as less susceptible to overheating and fires.
So if you see coverage of the Boeing 787 battery fires that says anything at all about electric cars, do consider dropping a friendly note to the reporter involved.
It may be unreasonable to expect  every reporter in the world to know that "lithium-ion batteries" are a family of very different chemistries.
Science reporters, on the other hand--let alone engineering professors--really should know better.
You have been warned."


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